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Imp · Aug 23, 2005, 12:31 AM // 00:31

as it started to get off topic here I thought it would be nice to put up a petition to remove/change favor.

Now, I realize that if you remove favor that pvp people will have nothing to fight for? Well, to be honest, at the moment they are not really fighting for anything besides bragging rights/faction/and sigils. Most PVPers play PVP FOR PVP, most PVErs player for PVE. My suggestion? If you want to keep a country war, reward the pvpers for having favor, make them glow or something. And if you want to keep the people to earn into the UW/fissure, make a quest that has to be done that is PVE. I'm not here to give you the great ideas, I'm here to see how many agree with me, and also want it changed.

Thanks.

/signed

neoteo · Aug 23, 2005, 03:02 AM // 03:02

dont agree , i think its important to keep pvp and pve connected ...

this way people have to team up , if you disconnect favor from fissure , solo ego maniac would become rich farmers easyly , at least they have to wait for favor .

as i said in other thread , i would take the henchs out of the game , so people realy had to meet real humans to do anything in the game , but thats my radical opinion.

Valiance · Aug 23, 2005, 03:09 AM // 03:09

"Most PVPers play PVP FOR PVP, most PVErs player for PVE."

If most PvP'ers play for PvP why would it favor matter to PvP'ers?

"you want to keep a country war, reward the pvpers for having favor, make them glow or something."

Well PvP'ers do have a reward, but it's not for favor. Once you reach rank 3 you can do a command that shows your ranking animal. That's pretty neat.

And not to get off subject or anything, but if they took henchies out it means I have to deal with more fustration of people who are very ignorant and suck at team work.

Perishiko ReLLiK · Aug 23, 2005, 03:50 AM // 03:50

Completely disagree.

As a player of both pve and pvp i would see no point in not having the favor. So you don't get into the uw or fissure of woe as much? Oh well... not too large of a loss... perhaps you should tweak up a build with in your guild and win the favor for yourself, rather then wanting to get rid of favor, or complaining that other people on your server arent getting it enough. I see it as a pure lack of motivation.

And from what i've seen, since i bet you're in a europeon area, there are plenty of euro guilds that will hold it for hours on end... it's not like its impossible with a good team.

Personaly i think the observer mode will eliminate so many crappy teams and bring on more "copies" of current builds that seem to work... but oh well.

Edit:: Just to add, you probably dont like pvp, correct? Then stop playing the game untill and expansion comes with more content for you. Trust me, uw and fissure isnt making you miss much, there's tons of that world to explore... And personaly, i found the reward of exploring is the scenic view... people complain about not having special items in these far out area's... but the graphical items out there are amazing... tons in the desert, and around the mountain. I saw tons more near the coast lines as well... Cool looking boats, different lava statues and rivers, and other misc things...

neoteo · Aug 23, 2005, 03:59 AM // 03:59

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And not to get off subject or anything, but if they took henchies out it means I have to deal with more fustration of people who are very ignorant and suck at team work
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yes thats execly what i mean , people would have to learn to team work ... or just stop playing , there would be no place for very ignorant or/and suck at team work.

if arena net reads this forum , dont put henchs in expencion pack .

human play or no play !

Sandman Uk · Aug 23, 2005, 02:08 PM // 14:08

/Signed

Agreed reward for entering UW/Fiss should be lvl20 Ascended players who have completed the last mission and have earned the right to continue PVE in the UW/Fiss.

For the PVE players who dont like the PVP side this can be annoying waiting for a PVP team from your region to open it for you so you can carry on playing PVE.

IT DONT MIX, DONT FORCE PVE PEOPLE TO PLAY PVP LET THEM CHOOSE.

Is there an area thats locked in PVP play, that requires something in the PVE world to open it for them. I think not else they would have been complaining like they were when they were forced to come unlock Runes and Weapon upgrades IN PVE.
They had a change in Faction points to trade to help them acheive what they want without having to play PVE.

Anet give us PVE what we want and open it up to lvl20 Assended players

It makes sense dont it ;-)

Imp · Aug 23, 2005, 10:19 PM // 22:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perishiko ReLLiK

Edit:: Just to add, you probably dont like pvp, correct?

Wrong, I love pvp. I don't think it is fair to the PvE players (that being me also) to have to rely on the pvp players to be able to go into a PvE place.

Quote:

Originally Posted by neoteo

if arena net reads this forum , dont put henchs in expencion pack .

human play or no play !

ugh, that easy mission I want to run, or having decoys when running to ascalon settlement, or the lack of monks around so we need a AI one. Please, if they removed henchies, I quit.

Ultimate_Gaara · Aug 23, 2005, 10:26 PM // 22:26

Favor is not needed, but adds an aspect of excitment so i think they should keep it.. im not a fan of america's constant korea bashing or euro insulting, but it adds an environment of how much people want it, kinda like the characters in the game would..

well thats the way i see it anyways

dargon · Aug 23, 2005, 11:39 PM // 23:39

I suggest favor be left, but at the same time, make the UW entrance in Lornars accessable whether or not favor is held at a cost of 3 platinum. It's not an outpost so you couldn't just run there and change your build and it would give the runners a new way to fleec.. err profit, yeah that's the word

people who want to go there.

smurfhunter · Aug 24, 2005, 12:29 AM // 00:29

i dont know about you but most people who wait for uw to go 'online' again dont spend the time in hoh

they usually wait for the big bad guilds to do it for you. and hey where would be the fun if you couldnt flame korea when your bored

Weezer_Blue · Aug 24, 2005, 12:36 AM // 00:36

/sign for change...

Instead of a cumulative amount, make it so that 24 hours after winning the Hall of Heroes, you have a rank stick and perhaps some nice glowing aura or something. For those who weren't in beta, Rank Sticks were short staves that you held in your hand while in outposts that signifyed your rank. Rank 1 was a wooden staff with some wierd animal head crudely carved on it and a single little star orbiting around it. Rank 2 was the same with another star, and rank 3 was a new staff... The really high ranked ones were gold and gaudy, but the concept was all around awesome - except for what happens now with the /fame animation. Descrimination in choosing groups. That's why a temporary signification of your awesomeness would own. Also, every town should have a place for enormous statues of all the people in your team, as well as a little inscription at the bottom that, when read, would tell you who was in the party and their classes (like when you read the lore). The banners of the guild that made most of the group, or otherwise the leader of that group, would be hung all over the place.

MCS · Aug 24, 2005, 01:36 AM // 01:36

/signed to stop the constant female-dogging

The Great Al · Aug 24, 2005, 01:57 AM // 01:57

I always liked the idea to have the favor system changed. I think, when a country has favor, in PvE, maybe they get healed for a few more points each time, or maybe they can hold 2 elite skills, something to make them more powerful in game..because, until you get to the ToA, favor doesnt mean anything anyway.

Castanza · Aug 24, 2005, 02:18 AM // 02:18

i'm a big fan of the favor system because it makes UW/FOW just that much more desirable. Good things are always worth waiting for. Besides if people had access to UW and FOW 24/7 it would lessen the excitement of getting the much desired FOW armor.

No UW and FOW are something that needs to be earned and waited for, but that's just my opinion.

Judas Paladin · Aug 24, 2005, 06:03 AM // 06:03

I agree completely no favor.

I say, imagine the game without favor though, personally i can't imagine any real differences to the game except all those UW farmers who wait in ToA won't have to wait anymore

and about the items...well its really for the ecto and crap isn't it and people have enough of those nowadays since that last cough stroke of genius update cough.

and you cant farm fow (yeah yeah maybe some elite awesome 3 man team can but im talking about the average group/guild group/pug)

it would add to the teamplay as in FoW or UW that is where the real team playing goes down, and if you can do it all day all night it would just make the experience all the more beneficial to learning teamplay skills. Considering all the bad PUG experiences we have, it would be a good learning experience for the beginner. I mean, when a new player goes to UW or FoW and gets totally flamed for messing something up and then we lose favor , does that player really even want to wait around for that again? No, i say let him go back down and learn from his mistakes.

Runs take like hours, and i don't think many people would do more than 1 at a time

we got favor all the time...i say let some other countries have a spin too!

so all in all .. remove favor = no real difference that i can see unless A net has some new grand plan for favor (but i think it was a pretty lame idea to begin with) , in fact maybe a change for the better.

and i agree with whoever said pvp is for pvpers and pve is for pve'ers

Red Sonya · Aug 24, 2005, 06:25 AM // 06:25

Totally disagree with this petition /unsigned. The WaW is what makes the PVP more fun, nothing more rewarding than keeping other countries from UW/FOW. Bragging is only a personal thing. Glowing wouldn't give any satisfaction would go right along with bragging rights. But, keeping other players from UW/FOW IS the greatest thing about the PVP system of this game.

I love reading the Euro's whines.

thaumaturge · Aug 24, 2005, 06:33 AM // 06:33

I can see one main useful purpose to the current system: Restricting access so you don't get bored of the same thing. However this fails because America has favour a large majority of the time and people can just about do it as much as they like, it prevents people in Europe from having a turn and this is where it crumbles. But the way the world works I think it would be hard to see it change, maybe make those not in favour pay more? I can't think of a quick solution but I agree to the concept.

Imp · Aug 24, 2005, 07:51 AM // 07:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Castanza

i'm a big fan of the favor system because it makes UW/FOW just that much more desirable. Good things are always worth waiting for. Besides if people had access to UW and FOW 24/7 it would lessen the excitement of getting the much desired FOW armor.

No UW and FOW are something that needs to be earned and waited for, but that's just my opinion.

I'm not saying you will have 24/7 fissure and FoW, I'm saying they can do something PvE to earn it! like a city thats being attacked and if you can hold off waves of baddies you can open the UW and fissure for a window of time. Fun stuff like that! I mean what fun is waiting if you are a PvE player?

I love PvP AND PvE, but I don't like having to play PvP to play something IN PvE

LathalDraugr · Aug 24, 2005, 08:44 AM // 08:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Sonya

Totally disagree with this petition /unsigned. The WaW is what makes the PVP more fun, nothing more rewarding than keeping other countries from UW/FOW. Bragging is only a personal thing. Glowing wouldn't give any satisfaction would go right along with bragging rights. But, keeping other players from UW/FOW IS the greatest thing about the PVP system of this game.

I love reading the Euro's whines.

Hopw many times have you won the HoH yourself then? What guild are you a member of? Or are you just another not very good PvE player who gets their kicks from greifing?

I love how you seem to think keeping other people from playing the game is fun. It shows us all exactly what kind of person you are. Even better is the fact that now I'm on the US server I get into the FoW/UW without ever having to step in the HoH, just like you. And just so you know the majority of good PvPrs here seem not to care about favour, for that matter I suspect most of the wouldn't care if it was removed altogether. The only people who seem to support it are useless PvErs on the American server who like to bask in other peoples glory.

misthero · Aug 24, 2005, 08:51 AM // 08:51

Totally desagree,
Arena-Net keep favor as it is please!!!!
Never gained favor with my guild, but we will keep trying until we do, new content for PvEr will be released, I'm both PvEr and PvPr, and it is just fun not having constant acces to special zones, this make this UW or FoW "special", you have to fight for it and it is good.
DON'T HANGE IT!!, just add more zones like FoW and UW that need favor in order to be accessed